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Post by Th12t33n on Sun May 12, 2013 4:53 pm

Ive just typed in multiple searches in relation to what can the vector do and not do IE.

Load one road without a magazine and fire? mine wont...
Load a round and drop the magazine an still fire.. mine will.
Is this how it just is or is something wrong?

If it is how it is can anyone explain to me the functions that are occurring that prevent the manual loading of one round into the chamber without a magainze.
Almost all of my other firearms allow aside from my Ruger SR9c which wont let me either. I can use without a magazine.
So any other quirks and or Percs you've found? This is by no means a whine thread as i love my vector. And my Stiff slide problem i had seems to be working its self out.



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Re: What the vector can and cant do?

Post by Solscud007 on Sun May 12, 2013 9:16 pm

Generally it is not a good idea to load a round in the chamber and close the bolt on it.

You should always load from the magazine.

I heard on Glock forums that the extractor could get damaged by doing it the first method.

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Re: What the vector can and cant do?

Post by Th12t33n on Sun May 12, 2013 11:34 pm

if it still has to be done it has to be done =)

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Re: What the vector can and cant do?

Post by P149U3 on Mon May 13, 2013 1:01 am

why would anyone manually load a vector?

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Post by jonj313 on Mon May 13, 2013 2:08 am

31 rds next to the bed instead of 30
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Re: What the vector can and cant do?

Post by P149U3 on Mon May 13, 2013 2:17 am

let the bolt ride forward and pull one out of the magazine then drop it load another

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Post by Th12t33n on Tue May 14, 2013 12:00 am

why would you need to shoot any firearm without a magazine if it takes one lol.. because you have ammo but not a magazine?

An yes P14 I understand that is the way to load it correctally for a +1 config. I was just stating without a magazine. Or if yours becomes broken or malfunctions when you only have it..

Sorta the route i was getting at.


Scud can you explain more why the extractor would be damaged? and if that is why the vector dosnt allow one to manually load a round into the chamber?

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Post by P149U3 on Tue May 14, 2013 3:02 am

why would you only have one magazine for a gun?

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Post by Solscud007 on Tue May 14, 2013 7:05 am

Read this. It is about the Glock.

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1447678&highlight=Closing+slide+chambered+round

I think your justification is a bad one. Why would you have ammo and no magazine handy? Just in case scenario? Then I think you need to devise a better JIC scenario. Get more mags. Keep one loaded or all of them.

I am reminded of that simple answer: "Doctor it hurts when I do this" Doctor replies: "then stop doing that."

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Post by MadDogDan on Tue May 14, 2013 8:58 am

To answer your question, why would the extractor get broken manually loading just one round?


The answer is because the extractor is not made to jump "over" the case rim which is what happens when you try that. When the bolt strips a fresh round from a mag, the case rim "slides under" the extractor, not the other way around. The fastest way to break a 1911 extractor is to manually drop a round in the chamber and let the slide fly. This is true for many firearms including AR's even though their extractors are spring loaded. The spring tension is just to hold the rim tight, not jump over it.

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Post by Jedi380 on Tue May 14, 2013 10:13 am

The "funny" thing is that the Kalifornia Edition ships with a "Zero Round" magazine, which is supposed to be used to feed one round only, by dropping it in...

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Post by MadDogDan on Tue May 14, 2013 6:36 pm

What is even dumber is that that zero round mag cannot even be inserted all the way in the mag well because of the two big globs of melted plastic on either side of the feed lips.

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Post by Solscud007 on Tue May 14, 2013 6:42 pm

I think the zero round mag was for something else. Like some version of Glock 21 or 30. CA has a pistol roster and a single shot exemption requires a blocked magazine.

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Post by MadDogDan on Tue May 14, 2013 8:13 pm

I still don't get how a zero round mag works. The follower is pinned at the top of the mag and you cannot even insert one single round into the mag. So what was the purpose, just so they can say they provided you with a mag?

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Post by P149U3 on Wed May 15, 2013 3:52 am

Silly Kaforni edishuns you cant have these


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Post by Solscud007 on Wed May 15, 2013 7:12 am

Actually you can in CA. There are loop holes. From my understanding, you could get a mag as a rebuild kit. Or use a preban mag. Then you can add an extension to it.

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Post by MadDogDan on Wed May 15, 2013 8:37 am

But my Kommiefornia addition can............I live in WI (a free state).

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Re: What the vector can and cant do?

Post by P149U3 on Wed May 15, 2013 2:06 pm

But you can't have them loaded to the max in Kali


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Post by nih on Wed May 15, 2013 2:56 pm

if you had one mag, 25 rds loaded, shot 15 rds, jammed, cleared, shot 9 rds to empty mag then needed to shoot one more bad guy, you MAY want to pick up that round off the ground and chamber shoot it. You could thumb it back into empty mag but pushing it into chamber would be quicker.

Just saying, there's a scenerio, personally mags empty and one more bad guy, im running for another gun/mag or just running till i puke.

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Post by Solscud007 on Wed May 15, 2013 2:57 pm

nih wrote:if you had one mag, 25 rds loaded, shot 15 rds, jammed, cleared, shot 9 rds to empty mag then needed to shoot one more bad guy, you MAY want to pick up that round off the ground and chamber shoot it. You could thumb it back into empty mag but pushing it into chamber would be quicker.

Just saying, there's a scenerio, personally mags empty and one more bad guy, im running for another gun/mag or just running till i puke.

If you are gonna depend your life on a random bullet. You need a better plan. Like a knife, handgun, blunt object.

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Post by Kipp on Wed May 15, 2013 7:48 pm

Solscud007 wrote:Generally it is not a good idea to load a round in the chamber and close the bolt on it.

You should always load from the magazine.

I heard on Glock forums that the extractor could get damaged by doing it the first method.

Same thing said about the Springfields XDs

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Post by P149U3 on Wed May 15, 2013 7:55 pm

If you need to shoot 15 rounds in the first place then there is a problem It is a .45 it should only take one shot to put someone down. Any person who knows how to shoot knows you never pick ammo off the ground and reload it in any engagement scenario. Never and I say never should you pick up ammo and attempt to reload it. In all of my combat situations i have been in NEVER once and never would i pick up and attempt to reload ammo. As soon as that mag hits the ground or round it stays there. This is why you should always have more then one magazine. At any given time I carry my Sig with 1 mag loaded and 2 more on my side for a total of 36 shots. I never plan on using that much and hope I never have to but if the time comes at least I'm prepared. You should have in my opinion a minimum of 3 magazines for every gun you own.

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Post by Kipp on Wed May 15, 2013 8:11 pm

P149U3 wrote:If you need to shoot 15 rounds in the first place then there is a problem It is a .45 it should only take one shot to put someone down.

Any person who knows how to shoot knows you never pick ammo off the ground and reload it in any engagement scenario. Never and I say never should you pick up ammo and attempt to reload it.

You keep shooting until the threat stops. Very easy to go through a magazine, law enforcment does it routinely.

Yes, you should never plan on doing this but every situation is different. If I did run out for whatever reason and there are rounds on the floor, I'm picking.

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Re: What the vector can and cant do?

Post by P149U3 on Thu May 16, 2013 1:08 am

Kipp wrote:
P149U3 wrote:If you need to shoot 15 rounds in the first place then there is a problem It is a .45 it should only take one shot to put someone down.

Any person who knows how to shoot knows you never pick ammo off the ground and reload it in any engagement scenario. Never and I say never should you pick up ammo and attempt to reload it.

You keep shooting until the threat stops. Very easy to go through a magazine, law enforcment does it routinely.

Yes, you should never plan on doing this but every situation is different. If I did run out for whatever reason and there are rounds on the floor, I'm picking.
Still the chances of getting into a firefight like that are almost none as a civilian


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Post by Th12t33n on Thu May 16, 2013 1:33 pm

Unless you Live in flint mi like me. Or i imagine any other Dangerous city?

An have been routinely witness to neighborhood shootouts. Mind you there all ghetto idiots that know nothing in life other than such. But one in the same your statement that the chances are almost none. Well here they will pull up with a suburban full of people with shotguns to a bus stop outside of the plasma bank and rob 20 people who just all got paid and are waiting to go home.

I happened to be the unarmed security guard at that time. The Only one there on duty.

There is a facebook profile called Flint Police Operations..

It is basically a scanner of the flint police that displays all their calls as status'. Youll routinely see caller says there are 4-5 males outside her house with guns attempting to break into the premises..
Once again i think your not speaking from experience saying the chance as a civilian of running into something like that is almost none. But more from hearsay, no offense. The thing is here most people dont have money to buy a gun legit or take classes to know how to properly and comfortably operate their firearm to defend them selves.

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