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Post by beltfed on Mon May 13, 2013 3:15 pm


This is about the best idea I could come up with for a factory Kriss case:





And I got this instead....Pelican 1510




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Post by jonj313 on Mon May 13, 2013 4:09 pm

Good idea ... looks like ill end up doing about the same once I get my stamp back.... thought about getting and second set of foam for my full size pelican case as well... where r u a tech at btw?
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Post by jonj313 on Mon May 13, 2013 6:18 pm

Just realized u had stated in previous posts that you were enlisted... thankyou for you service 1st of ... 2nd did u ever put together anything about you actually turning your sdp into an sbr
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Post by P149U3 on Mon May 13, 2013 6:43 pm

Gimme your old case I will put my pistols in it

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Post by beltfed on Mon May 13, 2013 10:22 pm

Thanks, I never did a single complete writeup of the SDP to SBR conversion from start to finish...essentiallit went like this:
1 Buy SDP
2 Submit Form 1
3 wait 8 months
4 Sent Kriss off to machinesmith to get barrel rethreaded to American threads
5 Buy a stock
6 Remove SDP end plate
7 After 8 months I received my Stamp in the mail
8 Install stock

I did do detailed threads with photographs on steps 4 and 6. I also have email confirmation from Evan that doing the conversion myself on a FOrm 1 DID NOT void the firearms warranty, that was nice to know.

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Post by Solscud007 on Mon May 13, 2013 11:50 pm

Out of curiosity, where did you engrave the SBR?

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Post by beltfed on Tue May 14, 2013 12:20 am

On the spot in front of the magazine release, in the polymer on the lower housing. Im actually thinking of milling out the polymer to expose the steel frame and having it engraved again in the steel....probably do that someday.

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Post by Solscud007 on Tue May 14, 2013 7:07 am

Yeah I don't see the polymer being a suitable place. Since you can swap polymer housings.

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Post by Kipp on Wed May 15, 2013 4:02 pm

marking regs

- You must mark the newly made NFA firearm with the S/N, Model Name or Number, *your* Name, City, State and the caliber or gauge. If you used the S/N, Model and caliber from the original Title I firearm, then you're already half-way there as far as markings go ...

- Accepted abbreviations may be used for your name (i.e., your ititials), city & state. Ex: John Q. Public, Anywhere, PA can be marked as JQ Public, ANY PA. Trust names may NOT be abbreviated

- The S/N must be marked on the receiver or frame, and must be no less than 1/16" in height and no less than 0.003" deep.

- The remaining information (name, city, state, model and caliber) may be placed EITHER on the receiver OR the barrel, and must be no less than 0.003" deep. There are no minimum height requirements for these markings.

- All required markings must be in Roman letters (English) and Arabic numerals (1,2,3 ...), and be "wholly unobstructed from plain view". In other words, they may not be placed under handguards, grips, inside mag wells, etc.

LONG VERSION....
[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 27, Volume 2]
[Revised as of April 1, 2003]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 27CFR479.102]
[Page 188-189]
TITLE 27--ALCOHOL, TOBACCO PRODUCTS AND FIREARMS
CHAPTER II--BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS, AND EXPLOSIVES,
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
PART 479--MACHINE GUNS, DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES, AND CERTAIN OTHER FIREARMS--Table of Contents
Subpart G--Registration and Identification of Firearms
Sec. 479.102 How must firearms be identified?
(a) You, as a manufacturer, importer, or maker of a firearm, must
legibly identify the firearm as follows:
(1) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise
conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped
(impressed) or placed on the frame or receiver thereof an individual
serial number. The serial number must be placed in a manner not
susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed, and must
not duplicate any serial number placed by you on any other firearm. For
firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002,
the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of the serial number
must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller
than 1/16 inch; and
(2) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise
conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped
(impressed), or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof certain
additional information. This information must be placed in a manner not
susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered or removed. For
firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002,
the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of this information
must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The additional information
includes:
(i) The model, if such designation has been made;
(ii) The caliber or gauge;
(iii) Your name (or recognized abbreviation) and also, when
applicable, the name of the foreign manufacturer or maker;
(iv) In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State
(or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the manufacturer
maintain your place of business, or where you, as the maker, made the
firearm; and
[[Page 189]]
(v) In the case of an imported firearm, the name of the country in
which it was manufactured and the city and State (or recognized
abbreviation thereof) where you as the importer maintain your place of
business. For additional requirements relating to imported firearms, see
Customs regulations at 19 CFR part 134.
(b) The depth of all markings required by this section will be
measured from the flat surface of the metal and not the peaks or ridges.
The height of serial numbers required by paragraph (a)(1) of this
section will be measured as the distance between the latitudinal ends of
the character impression bottoms (bases).
(c) The Director may authorize other means of identification upon
receipt of a letter application from you, submitted in duplicate,
showing that such other identification is reasonable and will not hinder
the effective administration of this part.
(d) In the case of a destructive device, the Director may authorize
other means of identifying that weapon upon receipt of a letter
application from you, submitted in duplicate, showing that engraving,
casting, or stamping (impressing) such a weapon would be dangerous or
impracticable.
(e) A firearm frame or receiver that is not a component part of a
complete weapon at the time it is sold, shipped, or otherwise disposed
of by you must be identified as required by this section.
(f)(1) Any part defined as a machine gun, muffler, or silencer for
the purposes of this part that is not a component part of a complete
firearm at the time it is sold, shipped, or otherwise disposed of by you
must be identified as required by this section.
(2) The Director may authorize other means of identification of
parts defined as machine guns other than frames or receivers and parts
defined as mufflers or silencers upon receipt of a letter application
from you, submitted in duplicate, showing that such other identification
is reasonable and will not hinder the effective administration of this
part.

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Post by Solscud007 on Wed May 15, 2013 4:04 pm

This part:

This information must be placed in a manner not
susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered or removed.


Gives me cause for concern that the information is on the polymer housing.

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Post by Kipp on Wed May 15, 2013 4:13 pm

I agree Sol --
Glock engraved it to a plate and riveted it on I have read.
I don't think the ATF would consider the plastic housing legal. Only the Frame or receiver as defined.
Not worth the risk. They will get you for an Illegal NFA firearm, and that would be big!
I think thats why they have a specific chapter defining it.

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Post by MrSquishy on Mon May 20, 2013 9:36 pm

Glock puts manufacturers info on the polymer frame, the metal insert only has the serial number on it.
Your Vector already has a suitable serial number for NFA purposes. you are only adding the info of the person who "made" the SBR according to the Form 1.

HK also marks the UMP/USC on the polymer. I had my SBR laser engraved on the polymer just beside the Kriss model "window".

NFA is like a bonus round of "How much bad advice can the internet contain?" Not directing that at anyone here.

A much worse idea would be getting 5, 6 and 7 out of order on that list:
5 Buy a stock
6 Remove SDP end plate
7 After 8 months I received my Stamp in the mail

Constructive Intent = Pre-Crime

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Post by beltfed on Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:48 am

I tend to agree with MrSquishy. The SN listed on my Form 1 is engraved in plain sight in the steel part of the receiver. The manufacturer name and state are engraved on the polymer just like Glock and HK...regardless, Im gonna redo it all anyway and also, I never got steps 5,6 and 7 out of order.....just covering my own ass there.

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Post by Kiptroloxe on Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:55 am

Wow split debate. beers Looks like we need an official answer on this by the BATFE... Guess we will have to wait 6 months to a year for an answer.
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Post by Jedi380 on Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:51 am

I would suspect the BATFE is like other overstuffed gov't agencies... When I was in flight school, we had an assignment to call the Flight Standards District Offices ("FISDO") and ask them a question or two about an FAA reg. Talked to six different people and got six different answers... Rolling Eyes

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Post by Kiptroloxe on Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:20 pm

Something in writing would be nice.
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Post by wayneside on Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:30 am

Just got a new KRISS and the case is much nicer than the old one.

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Post by Solscud007 on Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:06 pm

wayneside wrote:Just got a new KRISS and the case is much nicer than the old one.

Got pics?

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Post by Outlaw89 on Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:33 am

All that craziness is why I just bought mine as an SBR from the start, only waited 3 months for the approval

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