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Post by CatMostFeared on Sat May 12, 2012 5:07 am

Wonder if anyone ever installed a laser where the light goes in a KRISS Vector.
I'm going to put one on mine when I get to keep her.
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Post by solvovir on Sat May 12, 2012 1:10 pm

that would be interesting. I wonder if you could fit something like a Wicked Lasers model in there? Would literally blind someone if you hit them with it, kinda like a non lethal secondary form of defense

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Post by CatMostFeared on Sat May 12, 2012 7:08 pm

It has to be 5mw or less to be mounted on a firearm
Which is stupid because if I point my gun at someone I don't care about
Putting there eyes out cause more than likely I'd blow there head off.
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Post by nih on Sun May 13, 2012 4:24 pm

i was thinking about modding a crimson trace pistol grip laser, not sure which fits the best yet, has to be one that doesn't replace any type of backstrap or replacement side panels.

looks like clearance down the ejection port side would be there.

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Post by Solscud007 on Mon May 14, 2012 11:04 am

I think you should try to get the micro laser glock sight

http://gunwriter.wordpress.com/2011/01/12/over-lasered-but-with-a-purpose-in-mind/

That might work. Or the Glock recoil spring laser.

You just need to figure out how to activate the laser.

I think adding a laser there is a bit unnecessary. You can get a lasermax universal laser that is rail mounted and mount it to the top rail, side rail or bottom rail.

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Post by mambro on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:45 pm

Bumbled upon this Leapers green unit (SCP LS279) that might work:

http://www.leapers.com/prod_detail.php?mitem=flash&level1=Green_Laser&level2=&itemno=SCP-LS279


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Post by Solscud007 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:47 pm

I seriously doubt it. The dimensions of the laser body is too thick. You have to use E-series surefire body dimensions. There is just no room. Unless you do some serious modification.

Just use a Lasermax Universal rail green laser. Mount it to the side or put it in front of your front sight.

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Post by mambro on Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:06 pm

Agreed, the rail LaserMax is a more universal solution, but the SCP-LS279 might not be that far off for those looking to try the light house science fair project. I'm trying to get better sizing info. As you noted, the body is pretty small on the E1B... and from my basic ruler here appears to be smaller than the LS279 diameter given... but I'm not sure where Leapers is making that measurement (body, bezel, or ?). Just for sport, I sent them an email to see what they have to say on sizing compared to the E1B (and any option for a non-coiled switch).

LS279:
Diameter: 0.76"
Length: 3.36"

SureFire E1B:
http://www.surefire.com/illumination/flashlights/e1b-backup.html
Bezel Diameter: 1.00 inches
Length: 4.00 inches

I'll post more if/when I get it from Leapers. Smile
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Post by CatMostFeared on Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:13 pm

it might work I'll have to wait to get my hands on my gun
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Post by Solscud007 on Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:18 am

It isnt going to work

According to this.


the bezel diammeter dimensions for the E1B that you have, Mike, is all outisde the Vector body.

see this pic.
http://i46.servimg.com/u/f46/17/16/28/42/p1000015.jpg

The most important dimension is what the body and tailcap dimensions are. They were designed around the single cell Surefire E-series lights.

I dont know why the dimensions on the ring chart are different for the E2 than the E1 light but they all fit in the hole in the Vector.

Anyway find out the body diammeter of the laser.

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Post by mambro on Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:05 pm

Solscud007 wrote:It isnt going to work

According to this.
Unless I'm reading the chart wrong, I'm still not convinced it won't work. scratch

Yep, I get that the body is what goes through SF adapter into the Vector housing. I understand that I wasn't working with apples-to-apples sizing data. I didn't have any numbers for the body diameters. SureFire gave me bezel; Leapers gave me a generic diameter. But today we have better numbers. I got a reply from Leapers as well as finding the page in their manual. (Pg 5 of 8 below)

http://www.leapers.com/download.php?file=Manual-Laser%20(for%20SCP-LS268,%20SCP-LS278,%20SCP-LS269,%20SCP-LS279).pdf&folder=manual

From what you posted in that chart, I read it as the body of the E1B is .914 in diameter. The SCP-LS279 at a "main body diameter" size of .79 (per PDF, .76 per website) would be smaller and therefore fit into the same hole, no? (Might need a wrap of rigging tape or "other" around the laser to possibly fill that .124 diameter difference.) As for length, the E1B *without* the tailcap pressure switch connected is 4.0" per their specs and my ruler shows it longer still with the pressure switch installed. The SCP-LS279 shows a length without their pressure switch at 3.36, again... smaller (shorter). Should fit. From the Leapers diagrams/pics of the laser switch, it is still shorter than 4.0" (Pg 3 of 8 in that PDF). Tailcap does not seem to be any larger than body or longer (except cable) than the button it replaces. Won't know until one is tested, but assume the laser would have it's bezel/head sticking out just like the E1B, which is desirable to adjust windage and elevation. Smile

Leapers replied to my email:
...We currently only have the coiled pressure switch available for this model.

We have not tested any of our products with the Kriss SBR as of yet, and do not have accurate data on a possible fit. Most of our lasers and flashlights include their own mounts in order to allow our customers the greatest flexibility. It would certainly interest us if a fit is possible and I have brought the issue to the attention of our engineers.
I'm thinking you could undo the pressure switch and work it (incl the coils) through the upper housing slot and THEN attach it to the laser. Maybe Leapers would whip up a 7" non-coiled cable like the SF. Anyways...

Could be a win-win in the making here. Smile
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Post by mambro on Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:48 pm

SureFire just called me back too... E1B body he says is 3/4"... so what is the chart you have there? That laser may still squeek in there... .75 vs. .76 or .79 --sigh-- Just have to try it. scratch
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Post by mambro on Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:28 pm

Folks, I cannot make this stuff up... a second SureFire guy calls, (returning the same "leave a number and we call you" message for tech support)... and he tells me the body diameter of the E1B is .8 inches or roughly 3/4. The first guy didn't give me the "decimal" reading. This is looking good! affraid
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Post by CatMostFeared on Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:02 am

MAKE IT WORK Very Happy
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Post by Solscud007 on Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:07 pm

Mike, The chart came from Larue tactical. It is their light mount.

Again the body dimensions of the E2 and E1 bodies are negligible. So i believe the .8 number more.

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Post by mambro on Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:29 am

CatMostFeared wrote:MAKE IT WORK Very Happy
Order for one of these lasers is in progress... more when I get it. geek
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Post by cpu77 on Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:01 am

Cant Wait!

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Post by mambro on Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:31 pm

Yep, as mentioned in the KSG thread: http://www.krisstalk.com/t229-fun-run-with-my-other-guns#1843

...and Leapers/UTG make two versions (LS750 and LS754) depending on height.

TEASER ALERT: I'm still giving more thought to this one...



More to come.... Smile
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Post by Solscud007 on Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:33 pm

Oooh very cool. Definitey keep us informed. make comparative measurements, if you have calipers. If not, go out to Harbor Freight and buy yourself one.

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Post by CatMostFeared on Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:33 am

I just ordered one of these
http://www.opticsplanet.com/nc-star-pistol-and-rifle-green-laser-with-weaver-mount-pressure-switch.html
and I'll be putting my tool maker buddy to work Very Happy
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Post by mambro on Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:21 pm

Solscud007 wrote:Definitely keep us informed...
I've been pretty bad about that... No The good news is that the LS279 easily fits in the space. It's ever so slightly smaller in diameter through the center part of the SF adapter. The "science fair" part of it is purchasing or fabricating a 1" diameter by .5" deep (with the appropriate center hole) to take up the space at the front of the SF adapter while keeping the axis lined up straight. (The E1B has that larger shoulder where the pocket clip attaches.) Oh, and having a small hole for the exterior set screw to pass through too. (The second "interior" set screw from the upper should not be a problem.) I have been in touch with the Leapers light/laser product manager about possibly using an off-the-shelf part of theirs to do this with. The part is not quite yet in full production to send out though, but he is interested in the idea. Having something that takes the space and hits the shoulder of the laser, similar to the SF, is what I'm after. This would also allow access to the adjustment screws for lining up the laser.

I had thought about the 3D printing approach (cough, Solscud007, cough) but have not gone down that road. The part would be easy enough... just a thick washer... but probably not cost effective (guessing $30+ ???). I have just not had the time to wander Home Depot to see what they have that could be improvised with. There may be something easy to mod in the lawn irrigation section. geek
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Post by CatMostFeared on Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:50 am

almost done with mine and I had to turn the housing on the laser down
to get it the right size, I'll have some pics tomorrow when I finish it up.
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Post by CatMostFeared on Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:40 am

Ok so I have a Nc Star Pistol And Rifle Green Laser with Weaver Mount/Pressure Switch




Looks cool but its not where I want it

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Post by CatMostFeared on Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:42 am

And now I have a KRISS vector with Green Laser in the Lighthouse




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